[508] at least, and there you can come into a really dialectical conversation with them. But that is different from the pulpit. So the minister has the hard task which he will never fulfill without producing offense here and there. The minister who never produces offense should go away himself and ---[some laughter] But this is the most difficult form to avoid: dangerous offenses. But it must be done, and we must risk it. We must risk to be failures. I remember a successful sermon by Mr. [George] Buttrick^a, a few Sundays ago, about accepting failure. Now that is something we must accept, even failure in the sense of doing something which HURTS others, which in this sense is tragic guilt, but we cannot avoid it. And more than this, I cannot say---there may be practical theologians who have much more experience and survey about it who give you a few MORE criteria, but that is the common problem of the minister.

QN: [---about the relation to the university]: Is there a difference between the holy and business, or law, or medicine, in regard to ultimate concern? PT: I said that the whole hour, I think. There is nothing secualr [sic.] in the whole world in which the divine ground is not manifest. And since this is the case---this is the meaning of the doctrine of creation^b, that in everything that is, the creative ground is manifest. As Thomas Aquinas^c (who for

some of you is perhaps a good witness) says: if we know anything, we know God. And he is absolutely right in this because in knowing anything finite, we know the creative ground out of which it comes-ALTHOUGH HIDDEN, not directly. Now if you have this, then of course your question is answered: God is certainly present in the law, He is certainly present in trading, in exchange, in producing,